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  1. JohnGrant213

    Just when you think things may be calming down some and there may be a slight movement toward peace BAM another side takes a shot. Hard to imagine this is not tied somehow to the ongoing conflict between the mob factions.

  2. Clinton Fussell

    Well let’s hope that Salvatore Scoppa doesn’t use this as an excuse to turn rat like Peter Chiodo, Alphonse D’Arco, and so many others who turned snitch because of their fellow mobsters trying to whack them out. There’s never an excuse to rat, NEVER!

        • The mafia

          agreed it will happen eventually while this sort of stuff goes on all it takes Is one guy to flip the others will follow and someone will eventually people will get scared and go running I don’t pretend to understand whats going on no idea to be honest all I know is after geogre got whacked it was over for New York in Canada look what happened to Sal when he got deported its over he should have gone legit he was hardly broke when he was deported

          • Clinton Fussell

            You keep talking about these guys going legit, but you seem to be missing the point that the whole Mafioso attitude is about mistrust and contempt for the legal system. You could give most of these guys a billion dollars and they will still continue to be involved in organized crime. That’s the difference between a fake gangster and a real gangster. Ruggiero Boiardo even said that he would never go straight no matter how financially stable he becomes, and he went on to criticize the guys who decide to go straight after they get rich. Henry Hill said that Paul Vario was the type of guy who if you offered him a million dollars, he would turn it down and then figure out how to steal it from you. Those are real, diehard gangsters. Besides, the legitimate world is uninteresting. Imagine if GoodFellas was a movie about corporate CEOs and politicians, it wouldn’t have been as successful. The public likes to see people living outside of the laws that they are forced to obey, people who don’t go to work and punch a time clock.

          • The mafia

            It is possible to go and retire look st Tory LoCasico made millions from that scam did his time when released retired In Florida. He was no fake gangster.

            Those guys saying it lived in a different era that whole lifestyle has changed the goodfellas days that is gone and never coming back its just not like that anymore not even close its why there is less press attention most people cared 30 years ago now a lot of people are not interested it is less interesting the old Mafia is dead

          • Clinton Fussell

            You are crazy if you seriously think that Salvatore LoCascio actually retired. That guy is still an active member of the Gambinos. Say that to Jerry Capeci and watch him laugh at you.

            And less press attention? Maybe because LCN has gone back to operating in the shadows, and not because people are not interested like you say.

          • bellomo boss

            I don’t know either way about Locascio, his pedigree tells me he’s a lifer. Then again, when he got out new leadership, not the Gotti people he was tight with. Maybe he did retire

          • Clinton Fussell

            Just because there’s new leadership doesn’t mean that these guys retire. I don’t believe so anyway. They don’t retire, instead they “retire,” as in kind of sort of. I’m almost certain that Salvatore LoCascio is still pulling scams I don’t care how much money he has. Get rich and retire, that’s not how the Mafia works. These people wouldn’t last if they lost all of their best earners to retirement. And Jerry Capeci even said that money from the scam that Richard Martino and Salvatore LoCascio pulled went into the Gambino family’s coffers. When you’re a part of a crime family you’re not just making money for yourself. When these guys got rich from their scams the Gambinos became richer. This is how I understand it anyway.

          • The mafia

            But not every mobster thinks the same way that scam was a long time ago now he went to prison got out and went to Florida no one stopped him. He only does legit stuff these days you also have to understand tory is not your normal wiseguy either he is a white collar guy I remember patsy Parellos kid got killed for slapping him back in the day and from what I have heard he was shaken up by the whole thing dident expect him to get whacked changed his whole perspective on the life. He also got screwed by junior what did that family did for him he made enough he never has to do a crime again. His father dying like an animal for what sitting in the wrong room at the wrong time. He might even still kick up but he is not doing anything illegal he is making a lot in legit business these days

          • The mafia

            there is some guys who are active down there yes but tory is done trust me on that he not involved anymore if he ever gets indicted i will come on here and admit i was wrong but from what people are telling me including someone who knows him personally he is done retired he is making serious money in legit business at the moment he might kick up something to keep certain people happy but he is not doing anything illegal he is practically like tommy Gambino after he got out of prison

          • bellomo boss

            I see what you are saying but I don’t think you can lump everyone together. Some guys like Gotti sr are gangster until the end. Others, I think are only involved because of family ties. Meaning, I don’t believe every guy is “born” a gangster. Look at Gotti jr, he’s retired. I can’t imagine he’s involved anymore. Why? Like he said himself, he only got involved because he loved his Dad. In short, I don’t think it’s a blanket statement.

          • Clinton Fussell

            John Gotti Jr. might be one of the few exceptions. But we don’t really know it’s not like we live with the guy. If the Mob becomes a powerhouse again who knows some of those guys might get back in the game. Like Ronald Previte said, “If the Mob was really the Mob, I’d still be a Mob guy.” A lot of guys wanted out because they simply don’t feel like the Mob is the Mob anymore. That’s a pretty high bar to reach. With a name like the Mob you better be the baddest sonsofbitches on the planet.

          • bellomo boss

            Previte? Please that dude is a joke. He was a rat from day one. The issue is the lack of intelligence in most modern mobsters. Ron was only looking out for himself by his own admission. In short, people like him are what killed the mafia. No sense of loyalty or honor. Like YOU said, a real gangster knows the life and should own it. I don’t think people fear the mafia as much now. They don’t kill people nearly as often. I’d fear a cartel member over mafia, because they will sever my head lol.

          • Clinton Fussell

            The cartels have far surpassed the American Mafia for at least 2 reasons. One, they are far more vicious and brutal like you said, and two, they don’t give a fuck about going to prison. If mobsters didn’t care about going to prison and never ratted to buy their freedom then they would still be very powerful. I wish wiseguys had that mentality. Hell, they could even take over the prison system and run the prison and the streets. Cartels and gangs who work for them don’t care if they go to jail. It doesn’t even stop them. They still run shit from prison. Some of them even see it as a badge of honor.

            Ronald Previte was an excellent hustler and would have made a good wiseguy. Too bad he was a rat.

          • The mafia

            the book he made with geogre A is good a earner maybe but a excop and a rat. He is a wannabe walking around going up to guys with a picture of him and stanfa trying to intimidate guys I have heard stories about him lets just say he is not as tough as he claims he Is in his book

          • Clinton Fussell

            You’re a major proponent of the legal system. I’m on the side of true gangsters and say fuck the system. The Mob will always be around. Fuck the law, and fuck the government.

          • The mafia

            No offense but your sounding like a fanboy I don’t like the government or the feds in general but I don’t exactly like these guys either some of them are good people but there is some sick guys out there who deserve to be inside your joey medlishs they are where they belong.

            Well as murder rate as a whole is in decline in the US I highly doubt they will become more violent these kids today are not the same they are from the suburbs have it easy when they get indicted and go running the life has become a joke. I will give you an example someone I wont mention his name i am friendly with he wanted to be involved he believed a certain few people (not mentioning there names either) rubbish about the life all the honour at the end of the day he just saw rats and fakes everywhere people who would chat the life on the streets flip guys who would break there own rules over and over there is real people on the streets but its not like it used to be did his time like a man what he saw really disillusioned him with todays mob he has been legit for years now its done that life never coming back and he is a young guy.

            Guys making it to the top like frank cali who never made there bones that would have never been possible years ago not saying he would not do it if asked but he was never violent guys getting made who have never killed and never will. Andy Russo speaks about it on tape people were getting put forward who have never done work and he was shocked he was old school. If the people at the top have never killed anyone they are less likely to order a hit aswell. Its easier for them to shelve someone less heat from the feds but its not the same

          • Clinton Fussell

            I’m a fanboy you’re exactly right no different than being a fanboy of some basketball team. I’m a fan of real gangsters who stay true to the oaths they swear by which as you are well aware is a rare commodity. And they still kill people just not as much. They may not whack a guy just for looking the wrong way like the good old days but they still kill when they have to. But yeah killing is a last resort as murder indictments produce rats.

          • The mafia

            true guys who are true to the life i do respect. There is murders still going on all five familys have been involved in murders not all have been sanctioned a lot of stuff get done over stupid stuff and there will be murders in the future just look at recent indicments you had Charlie Stagno talking about killing another mobster with grenades.

            Patys Parello and others discussed killing the guy who killed his son in the early 90s dident get done because the feds tipped the guy of and he left New York. You had those westside associates planning to kill Joseph Bonelli the kid who shot up a restaurant connected to the Bonnanos Vinny Basancio put a contract on him back in 06. They tried to kill him in 2016 over some stupid shit they paid bloods members to do the hit and Debello a longtime Genovese soldier and real gangster a lot of people have no idea who he is and that’s how he likes it they offered to make him a capo a few years back he said no he is a millionaire as a soldier likes to stay in the shadows but because of some idiots mentioning his name he ended up in this indictment charges have now been dropped against him and rightfully so he had nothing to do with it half the idiots in that case have now flipped anyway on each other Sowulski the rat said that after he found out Delligatti had been busted Debello was furious that he had been dragged into this he is now on the streets again i am hearing he is retiring he is in his mid 70s

          • The mafia

            well said. Previte was a joke the guy was not as tough as he claims aswell in that book he was going around with a picture of stanfa and him trying to shake bookies down he was a wannabe I even have doubts he got made anyway what evidence is there was no ceremony he just said stanfa told him he was a made guy that they couldent do it the traditional way because of the war with merlino. It wouldent surprise me if he never got made and just made it all up to sound more important.

          • Wise

            Well, like Previte said, he was a former cop, so Philly mob was stupid byalllowing him in. Can’t blame Big Ron

          • bellomo boss

            They were stupid, but so is he. He embellished his money, power, rank etc. he’s also a major rat. He was a rat for decades. That’s a piece of shit. You break the law and rat on others doing the same for money and no jail. I can blame him, blame him for being a mutt.

          • The mafia

            I have heard from someone very reliable who knows him well that he is retired he is in Florida these days not involved i don’t even think he holds stripes completely out of it doesn’t want to know. After Charlie Carneglia got out of prison he stopped getting involved and he was a nutjob as he said it himself too many rats the life as he grew up in is dead.

            Most retire once they reach a certain age anyway guys who are able save up like Arnold did a lot cant they have gone broke through indicments over the years unable to retire.

            Its gone into the shadows partly like you said it has made less noise but that’s not always a good thing because it is a joke compared to what it was there is rats walking on the streets there is guys sitting in the open guys like junior gotti on tv the life your thinking of is gone look at documentary saw it on youtube a few hours ago about mob wives they turn up to this even room full of rats there for a daughters wedding they even have there own “family” meet in the open together of just rats scars russo romeo were on its just an embarrassment

          • Clinton Fussell

            I don’t see the whole rat thing playing out too well in the future. I think juries are tired of hearing rats who are even lower than the guys they’re ratting on testify from the witness stand. I wouldn’t be surprised if this little game of committing a lifetime of crime then thinking you can just rat your way to freedom is going to continue to work. This would actually be good for the Mafia, but bad for the rats.

          • The mafia

            I agree juries are already getting tired of them feds been offering ridiculous deals in recent years rats are only useful at the moment if they are wearing a wire but it does not take away from the fact that there is rats walking the streets in the open and no one is doing anything there is people doing serious time because of these rats its embarrassing only good thing nicky skins did before killing himself was whacking that rat.

          • The mafia

            yes but that was his own fault like i have said several times he turns up to the San Gennaro. Joey D`Amico is living in New Jersey that is widely known no one has done anything they only reacted when he was rubbing it in there faces Al D`arco is in Florida Scars you could find if you looked hard enough he even admits in a interview. Previte is in the open. John Veasy is living in SP. That’s just of the top of my head these guys are not hiding its an embarrassment

          • The mafia

            from people who have seen him around apparently he is not hiding if they wanted to kill him they would have done it years ago I even heard that some people he grew up have visited him they don’t blame him he dident rat on them. I think capeci has mentioned it a few times in the book I think cant remember but I know he has mentioned it a few times

          • leoluca

            far out thats insane. wouldnt be hard to spot his bald head either… if he didnt rat tho we wouldnt have his awesome book lol

          • The mafia

            it was a good book probably one of my favourites ever I liked the story’s of the old days before he became boss the most the 60s and 70s very interesting. Capeci did a good job

          • Cedz

            I don’t think they cared when Rizzuto got out of the super max in colorado he met with new York representIves in Toronto.

          • The mafia

            The days of Canada reporting to leading members of the Bonanno family are gone . Five family’s have top much going on to really care. As for representives it was probably a few old zip drug dealers with LCN but no actual leadership member is going out there no point nothing out there for them but drugs

    • Cedz

      and I disagree in some situations it’s OK to rat. if your in a family and the bosses themselves are breaking all the rules and wanna kill u for no reason like with chiodo. what else are you suppose to do. let them kill you when you have done nothing wrong.

      • Clinton Fussell

        I don’t agree, though I see your point. A street guy swears to always live on the other side of the law, which means living by the gun and dying by the gun. The appropriate response was for Peter Chiodo to retaliate on the bosses by trying to kill them in return.

        • Cedz

          ya it’s a hard i detest guys who got busted and tell on there friends thats a f*****g rat. bUT if your a stand up guy u did nothing wrong and there going after your family like amuso and casso in some cases I would say do it

      • bellomo boss

        I don’t know, this is tough. One guy tried to leave when things got crazy and Casso had him killed in California. Plus Casso had zappola and others ready to kill anyone. I understand Fat petes choice. Dude was stand up and was still targeted.

        Now most rats like Gravano are just pansies. First taste of jail and they told.

      • IntheknowD

        I see nothing wrong with what D’Arco did. Way I see it is the oath they take is just like a contract. Now since his bosses had already shattered the Oath he was bound by he’d have been a fool to sacrifice himself his own life or freedom.

        I ve never believed in narcing on anyone. I believe you be a man and be accountable for your actions. But once someone else tries to sacrifice by breaking these values they no longer apply. You wanted be protected by the standards of “Hear no evil see no evil speak no evil” then it’s a two way road.

    • Bigeasy91

      after reading about amuso and gaspipe, i dont blame d’arco turning government witness. they guys were outragous! and gaspipe tried to turn rat when he got caught! but the feds did not believe him.

      • The mafia

        casso was crazy a lot of people who did not deserve it died because of him Amuso at least he was a standup guy and casso was manipulating him the whole time he only realized it till it was too late when he was in prison it was casso who gave him up when he was on the run

        however I don’t ever agree with ratting even in D`arcos case its the life you choose. I even have my doubts they were trying to kill him I think he was becoming very pardoned at the end I also don’t completely believe the guy i think he was skimming the profits it makes sense he should have never had that position it was surprising when he was made capo let alone became acting boss. Al was no saint put it like that not saying he deserved to get whacked but he was not completely innocent in all of this

        • Cedz

          choose case’s he was a stand up guy but all acounts he was gonna take the fall for the windows case do a 100 years. what does he get they shoot him 10 times and kill sister. this guy’s should do life or get killed?

          • The mafia

            no that’s not what happened with pete he took a plea deal for the windows case which meant he would do 8 years casso and amuso were furious he did not tell them he was making a plea deal. Now I agree he did not deserve to get shot and what happened to his sister is appalling one of the worst things ever to happen in LCN history but remember that happened after he had all ready become a rat . He could have also seen the signs after he got shot dadione went to his parents and told them if pete flips they (luchese family) will kill his entire family and he still flipped

            what happened to pete was wrong and I can understand why he did it aswell he had just been shot and knew they were trying to kill him and was now a cripple

      • Clinton Fussell

        Vittorio Amuso and Anthony Casso might have been crazy lunatics hell bent on killing any and everyone who they suspected of betrayal, but that was no excuse for Alphonse D’Arco to rat. That’s not how a real gangster handles things. He should have gained the support of the other unhappy campers in the Lucchese family and took over the Luccheses, murdering both the boss and the underboss. And if he got killed while trying, well, that’s the life.

        Also, Anthony Casso had no excuse for flipping either. He should have taken his sentence like a man.

          • The mafia

            there was people ready to go against him Al D`arco said that after he and steve Crea got demoted in the early 90s steve said he was also unhappy and they should stay in touch he said he could kill baretta if needed. There was others in the Bronx who would have backed it would they have been enough probably not Casso and Amuso kept killing Bronx guys to make sure they dident get too powerful and for greed. The problem is people were scared of them. The chin was the only guy who could have put a stop to it.

        • leoluca

          I agree… Casso of all ppl shouldn’t have ratted…. i still don’t understand however why d’arco, chiodo turned state evidence instead of fighting back when the two bosses where on the lam. the bronx faction would have supported them.

          • Clinton Fussell

            Exactly. Detroit mobster Sam Perrone had his legs blown off and ended up in a wheelchair and still never ratted.

  3. Bigeasy91

    we have to take this in while it lasts because this montreal war will be the last big mob war, i am sure we will see a series about it in the future starting with vito rizzuto.

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