The body of Carmine Carini Jr. was recently found in an inlet near Mills Basin in Brooklyn the victim of a mafia style hit.
According to reports, he was stabbed and his skull was bashed in before his beaten and bloody body was wrapped in a tarp and attached to a five-pound bag of drywall compound. The 35-year-old is the son of Carmine Carini Sr. a known associate of the Gambino crime family according to authorities. The details remain a bit sketchy as the younger Carini’s ties to organized crime although he has been noted by some as a Lucchese crime family associate. The investigation is still ongoing and law enforcement hasn’t publicly linked the murder to the New York mafia although being fitted with “cement shoes” and “sleeping with the fishes” mob style certainly opens up that possibility.
“Carmine Carini Jr”
Carmine Sr. was convicted of a mafia linked shooting Brooklyn record store owner before dumping him out of a car back in 1983. His conviction was later vacated after two mob informants told prosecutors that he did not have a direct role in the murder. They informed authorities that Carmine’s cousins Vincent and Eddie Carini had actually carried out the hit. He was allowed to plead guilty to manslaughter and was released from prison with time served. But in 2008 he was once again on the wrong side of the law getting charged with pistol-whipping the father of an aspiring teen rapper during a robbery in Staten Island for which he served a couple more months behind bars.
Following is his father’s criminal footsteps the younger Carini also had been arrested on multiple occasions according to police. His rap sheet included convictions for drugs, first-degree robbery, and various parole violations. He was sent to prison in 2003 after he and an accomplice robbed five different victims reportedly holding a machete to their necks before taking the cash. He was released from prison in 2009 but was sent back in 2011 and then again in 2014 for parole violations. He was released once again released from state prison in 2015 after maxing out his sentence.
The Carini family certainly has a history in Cosa Nostra and Carmine Jr. wouldn’t be the first to be the victim of mob violence. Both Vincent and Eddie Carini were murdered after botching a mob hit ordered by former Colombo family capo Joseph (Joe Waverly) Cacace. The duo was supposed to kill the son of an Administrative Law Judge named George Asronwald but ended up killing the old man by mistake. They were both found shot to death in stolen cars just a few months after the mishap. The American mafia has become less and less violent over the years in an effort to avoid unwanted attention from law enforcement although the modern day mafia is still extremely capable of murder when it suits their needs.
Seems like he could of been whacked for plenty of reasons but wouldn’t be a shock if someone in the Lucchese family had him taken out. The Lucchese’s could be in a state of uncertainty at the moment after that last bust took down so many of the current leadership. Sure the mob doesn’t use violence as much as it once did but there are still a fair share of guys that disappear along the way even if some of them don’t make headlines as what they are.
No matter who you are or who you know, if you become a Liability to a family then you can be expendable….and this type of old school hit…. Was definitely a message to other people…… They wanted this body discovered that way…. Dormire com il pesce ..translate… To sleep with the ???? Fish
It seems that way doesn’t it. If they didn’t want this body found one would think they would have certainly been more careful and it could very well be a message to other involved in whatever led to this or just in general. If it is a message to everyone perhaps it has to do with that last bust and the big shake up in the Lucchese family.
I’m going to agree with you,but let me ask a question. If it was the Lucchese Fam that did this why the Cement Shoes? That seems like something the Gambinos would do since they are led by Sicilians. This seems more like someone didn’t have access to a boat and dumped him off the Pier. Message recieved but to soon and if so someone else will disappear the right way real soon
If this is a mob related hit, which it seems to be, this is the first one in a couple years right? Atleast where the body was meant to be found.
Maybe after the whole Meldish fiasco The Lucheses just aren’t messing around for now. Feds are coming after these guys bodies or not so maybe its back to just tying up loose ends whatever the consequences may be. The Feds may have less agents assigned to Mob cases but that’s not stopping them from coming after them any way they can. The FBI is no stranger to using dubious methods to gain convictions as we’ve all seen in the past and present even when it leaves egg on their face. Apparently the Mobs policy of reducing the amount of violence has not really stopped the Feds from coming after them even with cutthroat tactics regardless of the final outcome. That could be the setting for guys on all sides just saying fuck it and going back to their more savage ways. With all the other various Organized Crime groups competing for money and territory and people writing the Mafia off as washed up, LCN in general may just have to reassert their position at the top of the food chain especially in New York where they appear to have the most competition from other fairly strong and organized groups like the Russians etc…without being a Fanboy of the Mob I’d still say the Italians have the capability to set the tone and put the city on notice that they’re still running things and are definitely not has beens. Question is will LCN do away with some of the old rules about going after civilians and honest cops etc… These other groups , Russians, Asians, Bikers are bound by no such traditions. They’ll go after anyone they want without a care. The Cartels as well. I could be all wrong. Its just a theory that maybe the Italians will put themselves back on the map whatever the cost and raise the level of Savagery all around. Just look at Canada or other Ndraghetta groups or even the Sicillians. They have no qualms with killing cops and family members to make their statement. Curious to see how things will play out I guess.
I agree with what you say, but I’d like to add that the Russians and Asians really have marginal power in the US. In alot of movies you see the Russian mob being feared, and on the internet people always claim the Russian mob as savages, but in the US, do they really have much power? Can anyone outside of Brighton Beach name the Russian-American mob bosses? You seldom hear any killings from them, and not many arrests. If they were powerful, the FBI would really crack down on them, even more so than the mafia. The same thing goes to the Asians. Both groups are powerful in their home countries, but only have a limited amount of power in their ethnic enclaves, in the US. The mafia are still the top dogs by a long shot in New York, and could massacre any rival group if they were threatened enough.
I totally agree with you. Despite whatever the media or other so called experts say I absolutely believe that LCN continues to be the top of the pyramid here in the USA. My main point was that their attempt to use less at least obvious violence and killings hasn’t seemed to keep the Feds from backing off them at all. I’m just wondering with all the nay sayers around are the Luchese Family making a statement with these recent very public hits. I dont think in the USA the other groups I mentioned even come close still but they are competition none the less and they dont abide by any semi honorable rules regarding civilians, honest cops, prosecutors etc… I wonder will LCN will up their level of savagery just to put the other groups in check or will they continue to go by the old ways. Even though I dont consider them role models in any way I do give them a certain begrudging respect for at least keeping civilians out of their wrath for the most part. I also think thats why many people are more slightly sympathetic towards them here as well. When those other groups murder children and women or judges and the like thats what sets them apart. A lot of the public has absolutely no tolerance for that kind of street gang behavior. Even the prison gangs here have struggled with these concepts over the years. La Eme who is the most powerful and organized of the California prison gangs also had certain rules about civilians and that didnt hurt their public image at all. There have been cases here in San Francisco where Asian Mobs have slaughtered whole Families including children just to make their point and the public wants to see them fry for that type of shit. The Mexican Cartels for all their power have absolutely no public support when they’re beheading people on video like Terrorists. LCN has always managed to stay a cut above that type of thuggery. Will that continue to work for them or will they have to completely evil to keep the other jackals at bay. I personally hope not because I do think that truly could be there downfall. No need to stoop to those levels to stay on top in my opinion. Even people who hate Organized Crime can respect the sophistication of LCN over these other groups who apparently respect nothing. Sorry for the lengthy post. I think we’re on the same page though.
Sorry one last point. Can I just reiterate what total bullshit all this hype about MS-13 is. Yea they are bloodthirsty gangbanging pieces of shit. They have many little subsets all over the USA. Are they all connected and organized as this massive super gang, NO!!! Half of them dont know each other and would kill each other just like any other garden variety street gang. They’re not nearly as organized or linked together as portrayed in the media and even the government is always on that bandwagon. I never understood the fascination with these clowns. Even on street gang level standards there are stronger and more organized groups than them. The Mexican Mafias control over most of the Sureno gangs in California alone far surpasses a bunch of random MS-13 cliques randomly spread out across the US. They’re just another bunch of ignorant gang bangers with no Super Structure. Just had to throw that out there as this topic had annoyed me for years haha.
Exactly, I don’t think if they continued to kill people, that law enforcement would crack down on them alot more. Unless of course they start doing brazen shootings in public places and/or hurt civilians. Like in 2005 in Toronto, the hit on Michele Modica went wrong and an innocent lady named Louise Russo got hit and paralyzed from the waist down. So afterwards there was public outcry and therefore a large police crackdown. But LCN will definitely whack out people if they are threatened enough. It might get to the point where they start killing rats, because that seems to be one of the problems, people aren’t as scared of ratting as much as before. Rats are living freely and making f*****g television shows. I just think that they don’t want to go through the hassle any more, and potentially get caught, but they might need to straighten people out and scare them from ratting, especially for non life sentences. I read that some of the new York families were getting armed to the teeth back in 2004 because they were going to kill the whole Albanian “mafia” because they were giving them alot of problems. The feds found out about it, and arrested the majority of the Albanian group a few days before the proposed killings. I don’t know if this is a hundred percent true, but it would have been interesting to see what would have happened afterwards. That would have definitely cemented the fact that you shouldn’t fuck with la Cosa nostra, for the next 20 years. But I do think they are still very feared in NYC and other places.
In terms of other groups, I would agree and say that the Mexican Mafia probably has the second most amount amount of power in the US, in general. The reason for this is pure manpower; they have so many young Mexican guys, and alot of then don’t have much money or that much opportunity, so they turn to crime. Although, very few are organized, and most are gangbangers, but there’s simply so much of them. But theyarent as organized or sophisticated as LCN and don’t do the same scams and schmes and schmes or have the same connections. They are mostly involved in drugs, and maybe some extortion. Also, even though they’re are alot of them, many of them are against each other, like the various cartels in Mexico, and in the US la eme and the surenos vs the Nuestra familia and nortenos. I’d say, especially in the present day, the Italians are more united, atleast to the point where they are not hostile enough to kill people from other families. The many rules prevent this as well.
I remember that article as well regarding the Albanian group. You never know how much is hyped up by the Feds and Media alike. I will say the Albanians are an especially tough group of people just culturally compared to some of the other Eastern European groups but I believe they still would have lost an all out war. LCN isnt just about manpower but also the connections they have. Maybe not like the days of Frank Costello but they still have solid ties to Labor Unions and various industries. That gives them a type of power that these other groups while strong and tough, simply dont have that level of networking with policy makers. The other groups are still on the fringes to some extent. The whole Gas scam fell into Michael Franzes lap on account of Russian type gangsters needing LCN protection from other Russians as well as other LCN Families and that wasn’t all that long ago. I totally agree with the whole flying below the radar concept and keeping it old school but at the same time all the Informants that freely walk around their old neighborhoods and that guy Cantrella making a Reality TV Show does serious damage to the credibility of LCN as a whole. I’m in no way advocating violence but with that stuff happening regularly and so high profile, how long till they start getting seriously tested by other groups. I think that’s why I originally brought up the topic of maybe these guys are making a statement that they can reach out and touch anyone anytime they choose. In that life perception and reputation is everything. The thing about La Eme is that they have only a few hundred actual members. They basically told all the gangbangers you can fight each other all you like on the street but in prison you are one group period. The other gangs followed example with the exception of some of the black gangs who continue to keep street conflicts going behind bars. La Eme was a cut above for enforcing their rules and having ties to LCN as well as the Aryan Brotherhood. The Mongols MC tried to resist them and quickly learned the hard way as 14 year old kids on bicycles were spraying them up with AK-47’s. Didnt take long for them to start paying the street tax like everyone else in the Southern Cali Gang Scene haha…sorry once again I went in many directions but I’m mainly curious to see how LCN will continue to set the tone for their future.
My guess is that the top of the pyramid is on a per racket basis. As in which organization is running point on specific racket. Most busts you see have defendants of multiple nationalities. This is nothing new either Capone did it, Luciano/Lansky, Gotti/Watts, Detroit Mob/Jews/Chaladeans/Greeks/Bikers and so on.
Looks to me as though The Mafia and other O.C. have evolved with times and become multi cultural. If this is the case I think it would be more of comparing strength of a particular family or region and all of their criminal colleagues instead of comparing by ethnic background.
So was this dude actually a Made guy with Luchesse or Columbos? Or just a random thug with ties to LCN? Some of the different articles I’ve read have conflicting information about the guy. I’m just curious if anyone on here can set me straight about it for my own confirmation thats all.
I picked the wrong day to quit Amphetimines!!!! Please someone name the movie I’m quoting here.
surprise surprise, the luchesse hierarchy are picked up and an associate is found dead. Although this seems like deja vu I don’t know if Crea/Madonna would do something so reckless while they are facing murder charges. If this is pure coincidence then crea/Madonna/dinapoli will be fuming and no wonder lol
All of the information in print regarding the younger Carmine and his ties to Organized crime is completely false. This false narrative has been put together for th sole purpose of having people click on the articles. In knew Carmine. We came up together in Canarsie, Brooklyn. Despite what his arrest record states, Carmine wasn’t a second generation gangster. He was quite the opposite. We, his friends, wanted that lifestyle. Carmine was raised by family that were into that lifestyle, but that was something that he wanted nothing to do with. Yes Carmine made mistakes along the way, but he truly was not what these garbage articles make him out to be. Don’t fall for the medias garbage. I know at it looks like to those on th outside. I probably would have thought the same, but I knew Carmine. I was blessed to all him friend. He didn’t deserve what happened to him. His children didn’t deserve to lose their father.