The Gambino crime family has appointed Brooklyn born wiseguy Frank Cali as its new acting boss according to law enforcement and mob sources. Cali has quietly become the guy calling the shots for the Gambino’s replacing former acting boss Domenico “Italian Dom” Cefalu. The 50 year old Cali is known as an old school mobsters with deep ties back to Sicily and has been a rising star in the New York mafia for years. Cefalu and now Cali hold rank of “acting boss” as elder Peter Gotti remains official boss in name only in prison at least as far as feds are concerned but its clear who is running things.
“Frank Cali“
Law enforcement sources confirm that Cali has been on their radar since 1990 and believed to have become a made member in the mafia and Gambino family in late 1990’s. He started out in a crew led by capo John “Jackie Nose” D’Amico who later became the Gambino family acting boss himself in 2005. Cali stayed close to D’Amico and when he made acting boss he promoted Cali to the rank of captain and became the mobsters gate keeper. In 2006 a Gambino mobster was caught on wiretap telling an associate who needed to speak to either D’Amico or family consigliere Joseph “Jo Jo” Corozzo that “It’s Frank Cali that has to get in touch with the Administration.”
Cefalu served as underboss for D’Amico who stepped down in 2011 after getting caught up in a racketeering conviction which also included Cali and Corozzo along with 60+ other wiseguys. Cefalu then stepped up to become the Gambino family acting boss and promoted Cali to underboss as he finished up a 16 month prison stretch. Cali also has powerful allies with in the Gambino family in powerful family capo John Gambino married to his neice and a brother in law Pietro “Tall Pete” Inzerillo a Gambino soldier with ties back to Italy.
According to multiple sources it was only a matter of time before Cali took over as Gambino family boss and that times has come. His promotion is seen as a step in the right direction for the rising Gambino crime family. He has been known as a top earner for years and one of the smarter members of the family and has the traits needed to be a New York mob boss one of which is knowing how to share the wealth with other members of the family.
I’m not surprised by this at all.
Me either he has been a force and rising star in family for at least 10 years and the aging Cefalu was definitely not the guy for the long haul. As Gambino’s continue to gain back some of its strength and stability its a good time to let that new and younger blood take the reigns.
he was handpicked by dom and jackie back in the the mid 2000s he was the next boss no doubt
This had been wrongfully reported as happening a while back by unreliable online sources. Dom Cefalu was in solid control for a a good stretch but the Gambino family is trending upward and the new blood has to rise to the top and carry family to the next step as they try and reclaim former glories. Cali should be a very capable boss.
this time its real gangland confirmed it dom has made tens of millions he is in his 70s why keep going frankie is only 50
Why do people say cefalu is in his 70s ?? He has just turned 68 , in my opinion cefalu is still boss , Cali is underboss / street boss and john gambino / Lorenzo mannino r acting consigliere for vernace , I think if this were true wouldnt it have come out first cefalu had stepped down ?? . Capeci has done this time and time again , he is tickling the wire for the Feds
I think celfeau is done it makes perfect sense he is rich he has made millions he is old I thought he was in his 70s but I am wrong I checked he is 68 but it makes perfect sense why keep going he is rich he has had years as under boss then boss four years as boss why risk the possibility of being indicted when he can retire now rich he is luckier than most.
Frankie is the right age. Dom could go onto be a sort of a advisor but frankie is basically the boss.
I don’t think he is ticking the wire this time I know he does a lot but this time I think it’s real
I agree. At 68, if Dom were to stay boss, it’s a matter of time before he’s back in the can. Even 10 years would be a death sentence. I believe Cali is boss, and Dom will likely play a role similar to consigliere. Gambinos are moving up again, the zips are to thank. Americanized bosses were too egocentric. I hope Cali has a long reign. Stand up guy
I thnk the Gambino family is takng a page out ofthe Genovese & the ol outfit’s book wth the frnt boss. Dom will play the bck but cali is the face, any major decision made by cali will hve to be reviewed by dom b4 cali mkes any move. Cali will hve the role of a fat tony or sam giacanna (hpe i spelled tht rght)…ijs
Anything is possible, but this seems like a real boss. He’s been groomed for years, strong ties to Italian mafia, in fact most agree he’s a member of both. Huge earner, besides bellomo, likely biggest star in mafia. His international connections make him very powerful. I would love to meet him and listen to stories.
If you want to meet Frankie he is the same place every night but I think if you asked him the wrong question you would not come out alive 😀
I’m curious as to how/why capeci has so much accurate insight. Off topic, I wonder what influence gene or Peter still have?
In 2002 in Joe watts trial it was established that gene has a loansharking ring.
Capeci says gene has guys running a book and a shy for him on the outside he gets out of prison in 2017
Peter has no influence boss in name
Capeci gets his info from law enforcement and the odd “mob source” capeci has been researching since the early 80s he has seen it all
as TM mentioned all indications is that Peter basically has no influence on the streets at all anymore and he is boss in name simply so it can be said by feds or whomever that the boss of the Gambino family is jailed.
ok now firstly this is real in the past there was rumerous and fake storys but this one is true gangland confirmed it.
Dom has had a good run he has been running things since 2011 and was underboss from 2007 he has made tens of millions he is in his 70s he had a good run and is VERY lucky he gets to retire with huge amounts of money he did not get pinched by the feds very lucky.
Now frankie is only 50 he is at the right age because the younger guys have been held back for years guys like nicky corezzo,arnold squaliteri, dom celfeu and jackie the nose were always in the way but its the young guys time. Jackie loves frankie he used to bring him around he chose frankie when jackie got made boss first thing he did was make him capo jackie said back in 2007 frankies is the guy for the future. Jackie is very like frankie they both well respected but jackies problem was being a degenerate gambler this guy could gamble through 200k like its nothing.
Now when dom made frankie his underboss lets just say it raised eyebrows guys were suprised i know bobby was a bit unsure with frankie but it was the right choice frankie has learnt well he has a couple of guys he trusts thats it very old school.
He was runs the meat market in new york he is said to be worth nearly 30 mil in legit and ill legit
I stll thnk dom frm 18th has the final wrd for whtever decision frnky boy may make. but it’s been obvious tht cali would be next to call the shots. .he’s been under dom learning for smetme now & he’s well respected by his & other families in LCN. Tht family has been doing a hell of a job reinventing it self & it’s ranks….I do stll believe tht the Genovese family is stll perhaps the strnger family between the two but not by much….ijs
yearh the gap is defo closing between the genovse and gambino familys.
Dom is happy taking a step back though i think frankie will defo consult with dom on major decisions
I think your right Dom is at that age where sitting back and collecting an envelope seems a lot more appealing then the day to day operations of the family. He will def be consulted on certain things but seems to def have the reigns now and will guide the family from here on in.
dom has been around a long time he has seen it all and has been either underboss or boss since 2006 yes he spent a year in prison back in 2009 but apart from that its been a good run for him he has made enough money i bet when took the bosses spot he never thought he would have lasted this long
he is lucky because most guys die in prison or die broke he has done very well if he is lucky he can spend the rest of his days enjoying his wealth and advising his/jackies protegee dom has heavy respect
i think dom will defo be advising and he will help ease the transition.
I wonder how the frank cali era is going to go wonder how long he can stay on the streets
I think your right the Genovese family remain the most powerful and organized of the families and that Ivy League tag really fits them. But the Gambino family is making a real push last few years for that top spot.
the genovese have the garbage in jeresy and the port thats why in my opinion they are still ahead but the gap is small between the two the gambinos blue collar prob match the genovese if not are stronger only white collar unions i wonder put the genovese SLIGHTLY ahead the gambinos are also always vulnerable to a international drug bust
Tru, the Genovese whte collar rackets is whre the major income cmes frm for the family, as the Gambino family has over the years lost sme if it’s grip on the Brooklyn docks which has always been a major income for the family . probably another reason why they made tht transition towards the drug trade more so, thre union influence isn’t wht it was fifteen/twenty yrs ago. But ol ‘ skool rackets they are ahead of the pack. ….ijs
dont get me wrong all fivw familys have union influence but the genovese family dominate it espically the garbage and the port. Construction in the bronx is practically dominated by the lucheses.
the genovese family managed to take some local unions which if someone had told me that ten years ago i would laughed the feds pulling back is making it easier for these guys
dont forget the colambos and bonnanos as well i know the colambos still have some big construction going on remember that but the genovese defo dominate
Genovese, gambino, and luchesse are bouncing back in a big way. Bonanno and Colombo’s are constantly in disarray. Persico killed Colombos by refusing to let go, bonannos just lack a strong intelligent leader. Massino did a great job, until he turned rat.
The colambos are in a stronger shape than you think they have loads of top guys getting out of prison they have had a decent run no real drama last few years they have been making people. Things are going ok for the colambos and they have some real up and comers. I know they have some major rackets going on they are the best shape I can remember.
The bonnanos real leader is in the queens they already have a leader. Mikey Nose is the boss of a bunch of kids in the bronx thats it. The bonnanos have HUGE rackets going on in queens people making big money
You say they are in disarray tell me any real problems they have had last three years things have been good for them less rico means good news for these guys things are good
Actually to be fair the bombings had those top guys arrested last year tommy and jack and vinny the drunk degenerate but tommy and jack got really low sentences and who cares about vinny
It’s really simple. The Colombo’s have had three internal wars, countless defections. They’ve seen their rackets shrink dramatically over the last twenty five years. They’ve had no seat on the communion for over twenty years. Their boss is a moron, thug, who has refused to let go of the power, even though the power is a fraction of what it once was. He’s promoted his moron sons, and replenished the ranks with half wits and rats. They’ve been on the decline since the 80’s. Even Casso almost had Gigante convinced to let them join the Lucheses because they were so broken and weak. Their leadership is always in jail, several for life. They are reduced to loan sharking, bookmaking, drugs, and small time petty crime. They have little power compared to the other families, and because you can’t get away with murder as easy any more, the threat of violence is even losing steam. Even the FBI see’s them as a minor threat compared to other organized crime, like the Triads, Yakuza, Russian Mafia, ISIS, etc. They are a glorified street gang. They are without a doubt the weakest mafia family in new york. Every expert agrees, they are not a big deal anymore. Now you may argue they are rebuilding, or less focus means time to regroup. Perhaps you are right, maybe they will be strong again, it’s possible. however, as long as Persico is alive, it will never happen. Even Wikipedia describes them as the smallest and weakest.
The Bonnano’s are in slightly better shape, but are still disheveled. You just made my argument for me. They are split, Mancuso claims to be boss, but does not have full support. We saw how well that worked out for Orena. In addition to being split, they too have lost influence in major rackets. All they have is drugs and loansharking. They have been in turmoil since Joe tried to start a war. They never truly recovered. Galante fought Rastelli, Black fought massino, and of course donnie brasco. I will admit, Massino did bring them back from the dead 92-2002, in fact, at one point, many felt he was the most powerful Don left. But then once again all hell broke loose. Rats, defections have plagued. the family. Every boss since Massino is dead or in jail. I view them as slightly more powerful then the Colombo’s because of their Canadian connections to Ndrangheta. They are slightly larger, and besides Massino and Vitale, have had few rats. The key players in the family are old or in jail.
I know your posts well enough to know no matter what I say, you won’t concede. Now let me make this clear. I am NOT saying either family is not powerful, deadly or making money. What I am saying is they are a shell of what they use to be and or could be with proper leadership. The FBI’s attention is focused on terrorist and the other families have rebuilt, grown stronger, richer. These two are the proverbial dunce in the classroom.
I forgot gambling as income for both. I just don’t see any real brains in either family. The joke is if you can’t get made in genovese, gambino, or luchese, try bonannos or Colombos. If you still can’t, go to jersey. You hear these Morons on wire taps blabbing, they are a typically street thug. The other families have brains and real power. They make money but it’s small time compared to big 3
You said “petty crimes” then you say “I am not saying they are not making money”
You do know in Brooklyn they are still one of the biggest families in construction which brings in tens of millions
Bonnanos are being investigated for 50million construction shakedowns over last 15 years. The bonnanos are like the colambos making tens of millions hardly small rackets
“You hear morons on tape blabbing”
Have you not heard greg depalma a gambino capo a nutjob, or those sicilians picked up on the geogre Decico case, or the pernsa with the lucheses in jeresy talking about beating a guard for no reason or the Genovese talking about shaking down the longsman union
THEY ARE ALL STREET THUGS
They are all animals
You hear these morons on wiretaps what morons would that be the tommy gioeli or sonny francheze tapes sonny got taped by his own blood and tommy was taken down by rats nothing to do with tapes. Bonnanos have mouthed on tape
But you can’t make that argument because look a fbi agent infiltrated the gambino family in 2005 they can’t talk there is more wiretaps there than anywhere else. Joseph Vollaro in 2008 wore a wire friends with nicky corezzo joseph got 60 mobters arrested they were all blabbing
Lucheses in 2009 were blabbing in there own cars
Bonnanos vinnie was mouthing of
Genovese the longsman union case mouthing of
All families do “petty crime”
Yes the gambino and Genovese make alot more money than the other but you can’t make that comparison they both have 200 made guys the colambos have what 60 on the street and the bonnanos 100
The lucheses are most stable but rackets wise are ahaed but only slightly they are a small family if it was not for those joint rackets with the Genovese family
I am not denying they are weak petty crime etc is complete rubbish I want facts when you say thing sthat. Do some research before you say that look colambos even have union influence
Your right I won’t believe things when you come out with things you are making up on the spot yes tgey are weaker but they are not petty crime and thry are rebuilding with lack of feds attention
You do this every post. You neglect to read or comprehend what I’m saying. My argument from the beginning was they are the two weakest families in nyc. Also, they are on the decline when compared to the big three. I said while the others are rebuilding, these two are digressing. Which is true. Everyone who study’s the mafia agrees on that but you. So either everyone including FBI, capeci, are wrong or you are wrong. My bet is on the person that can barely spell or complete a sentence. I’m sorry, you should go to school and learn basic writing skills, especially if you are claiming to be more insightful on a topic. Yes, there are morons in every family, street thugs too. It’s a fact, the mafia is a shell of its former self. It’s also a fact these two families are the weakest in nyc. Which is what my first post said. Then you just had to argue points I never made. I’ll state my point one final time. Of the five families, these two are the weakest. These two have never fully recovered from several blows. These two have little influence WHEN compared to the big three. Compared to the New Orleans family, these two are kings. But that’s not the point I made. You can argue they are rebuilding as I mentioned BEFORE. So in summary, use spellcheck, basic grammar, punctuation. Read my point before looking foolish. Stop trolling every single post and arguing moot points. Simply admit these two families are the weakest in nyc.
Your whole retort was “Colombo’s are stronger then you think”. Of course, you misspelled Colombo’s some how, but you were already off topic. I never argued that point. I argued them being the weakest of the five. So if they are stronger than I think is irrelevant. Even if they are, they are STILL the weakest and smallest in nyc.
I should also state that I am a practicing attorney with ten years of defense experience. My specialty is criminal defense. I have done many Mafia case studies over the years, and have defended a solider of the Bonanno family. Clearly, I cannot reveal names, but he’s not that high up. That being said, he did share lots of interesting stories with me, mostly about how the big three are the real shot callers. He said if there is a sit down, rarely do Colombo’s or Bonnano’s get the ruling. I’ve been told leaders in the Genovese and Gambino’s won’t even meet with these families often or at all. Why? Because they are small time compared to the big three.
if you are a defense attorney well done but if he is telling you inside stuff that means he either trusts you which is not a good idea or he was talking rubbish because no way any one powerful is going to start talking about inside stuff or you are making this up i dont care what the answer is because it does not matter
when did i say that the colombo or bonnano families are on par with the other families
Once again, you failed to actually read my post. I clearly stated “he is not that high up”. I never said he was in a position of power, because he’s not. Now, because he is on the inside, does that mean his information is likely to be more truthful? I believe so, but of course, he could be lying.
You keep missing the boat. You are talking in circles. I never claimed you said the families were on par with others. Go start from the beginning and read. The thread was about the gap closing between Genovese and Gambino families. I concurred with YOUR post, meaning I AGREED with you. I then added the Colombo’s and Bonnano’s were the two that could not get it right. Meaning, the big three have done a great job rebuilding, staying under the radar and gaining more power. The other two have not done a great job rebuilding or gaining more power. In fact, they continue to struggle comparatively. I said they were not in the same class, regard as the others. That was my SOLE point. Then here you come out of left field telling me the Colombo’s and Bonnano’s are more powerful than I realize. Then you starting citing what they influence and control. I NEVER ARGUED this. It was never about if they were more powerful than I realized. It was about their power with respect to where it once was, and where the other are now. THAT’S IT. You took it a whole new direction, like you typically do. You see that’s the irony of this whole debate, you are not even talking about what I posted originally. You are literally arguing a point NO ONE made. I see you do similar things all the time. You ramble on about something that is not even the topic.
Ur about as much a lawyer as bruce jenner is a woman
Lmfao
This is what you wrote “persico killed the family” implying that they were dead. I have said before that the colambos and the bonnanos are the weakest families when did I say they were not the weakest families. You are making things up I said they still have big rackets and they are not as weak as you see them as by you saying “killed the family”
I have read capeci gangland since the 80s, I read every indictment l, I have spoken to connected guys over years and I have been researching this stuff a lot longer than you and i have never said I am perfect but you seem to have it in for me instead of arguing my posts you lie and talk about my punctuation which I admit is not perfect but you don’t have to insult me
I never said the colambos are dead now you are insulting me and making things up i have realized that either I did not get your point in the first place or you are impossible to have a debate with.
When did I say the mob was not a shell of its former self I
I am a troll haha I have been on this site two years no problems with anyone from sharp John bobby,eddiea or dom I have never had problem with guys who have been hear for a long time. None of the other new guys either. You have been here what 5min and you are calling me a troll
You see, in addition to lack of basic grammar, you can also add “assumptions” to the list. I said Persico killed the family, because he did. Now, does that mean they are dead? No. Did I say they were dead? No. I implied they were not rebuilding as quickly, or as powerful because of him, RICO, and rats. You just had to come along and tell me they are stronger than I realize. Again, I never argued that point. My point was not to what degree they have fallen, but rather point out it’s a further fall than the other three. Which is true. Troll is fitting. Why? Because you feel compelled to correct EVERYONE on this forum. You always have to be right, and argue every single post. You have ordained yourself Mafia expert, and feel the need to constantly correct every god forsaken post. You’ve been here two years? Congratulations! I’ll send you a cookie. Perhaps your time would be served enhancing your deficiencies. in education. I’ll give credit where credit is do. You unequivocally have great insight on the mafia. Which I respect, because most can only talk about Gotti, and they get that wrong too. You have brought lots of interesting, new information to the forum, which I appreciate. I have tried to focus on your good qualities, and over look the blatant disregard for the English language. However, it’s irritating that you feel compelled to argue every single post. I don’t think I’ve ever seen you just agree, it’s always you pontificating. What’s sad is you have been reading about the mafia for thirty years apparently but still can’t spell Colombo’s and Bonnano’s ??? And you want me to “trust you” as you so often ask.
you think i am trying to correct everyone ? i am trying to have a conversation if they say a post i am trying to talk to them about it maybe you take offense to that
i also agree with alot of people if someone makes a point i agree then i say why if you dont like that well then get used to it because i have been doing it for two years and i have never had any problem with anyone.
Dom woods for example is the most knowledgeable person on this site i enjoy talking with him about this if i disagree he does not start mocking me i respect him. I liked you but you seem to have it in for me and you then have the balls to speak for everyone on here about disliking me when you have been here 5 min i when i like and respect everyone here never had a problem with anyone.
You dont like the way i speak ok i will try my best to spelling in “good” english. There is others on here with poor grammar i dont see you having a problem with them.
“ordained myself a mafia expert” thats funny because i have constantly got things wrong over the years when did i say i am a “mafia expert” if i was a expert i would have my own site i am always getting things wrong.
When i say “trust me” thats because its a fact.
Yes it is a shame i cant spell colombo and my grammar is not great it has not affected me before i am doing well in the real world so your dislike of the way i speak does not mean much to me and you did not grow up in the area i grew up in so i was not around people who spoke “good” English
i dont know how you have turned a conversation on the colombo family onto a attack on my personality
i will not change my personality for you i will try to spell better but thats it
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Poor grammar from adults is always frightening. As I believe the lack of education in this country is a real problem. We live in an age where information, education is literally at our fingertips, yet some are too lazy to utilize it. It also hurts your case. You say you are doing well in the real world, wonderful, I wish you all the best. In my experience, if I spoke or spelled the way you do, I would be laughed out of the business. You see, how you articulate yourself, your position is a direct reflection of you. Why would “trust you” when I don’t see a articulate argument? It’s a fact? Really, are you a member of the Mafia? Have you spoken to Frank Cali personally? Of course not, which means it’s conjecture at best. Don’t call it fact when it’s speculation. Short of being in the leadership of a family, you are have no idea for sure what’s fact or fiction. Thus my annoyance with you. You portray your statements as fact, when in reality, they are pure speculation. I don’t comment on others grammar because everyone else seems to post thoughts, ideas, theories, but certainly not nearly as matter of fact as you. Thus the difference. I don’t expect you to change anything on my behalf. I will just simply ignore your “matter of fact” replies and enjoy those that are willing to call it for what it is. A forum for speculation and learning.
I wish you all the best in life and future endeavors.
When I say matter of “fact” I mean it has come out on wiretaps or rats.
I never used that for frank cali. Have I met frank? No I have never met frank I know where is social club is but that’s it.
I have seen him once in my life when visiting my cousin did not recognise him but my cousin knew i had a fascination with the mob and he pointed him out. Someone on another site said he lives in Staten island in a manison not sure if that’s true.
Most of my posts is speculation
Your a defense attorney you have to speak well I know it helps but I am not a young man anymore and when I was growing up things were obviously different not that’s an excuse loads of guys i grew up with are doing really well I was lazy but now things are ok for me
Ok in the future I will not use “matter of fact ” I will speak politely and I will try my best not to annoy you because I dont even know how we got hear in the future I will try and stay on topic maybe i am pulling this off topic I dont know and when I comment on your posts I will try not to irritate you
Like you said I wish you best on your endeavours and let’s try to stay on the mafia and not argue I forget why we were even arguing
Sounds good
I’m sorry. One reason I dislike email, text, and forums. It’s hard to detect emotions, or how someone means something. I likely misunderstood you, as you seem like a nice guy with a copious amount of great knowledge.
like i said i like you if i am annoying you just say and i will stop its prob just my personality. You had goof knowledge on the mob aswell
When all they can come back with is grammar problems thats when u know these hicks from bumblefck idaho are out of google and capeci quotes,, i bet this momo has john gotti footie PJs
The commission shouldn’t hve supported rusty bck in the day. …ijs
true. The commission (my opinion) wanted the bonnanos to be in a bad state it made everyone else stronger thats why when galante started to rebuild that family they had him whacked yes he was arrogant and showed little respect but he was making that family stronger. He had those zips and they were really nasty back then these guys would kill your whole family and they are too treacherous carmine thought he could trust them but they screwed him over.
That’s a cool theory actually. I’ve never considered that position. Keep them in turmoil do they could take the profits.
Do you think gotti backed Orena to have them under his thumb? Or maybe to cause a internal war, thus stepping in on some rackets? It’s funny gotti was trying to get their support and casso was trying to get them to join luchese’s.
Gotti was trying to get the colambos under his control. Around this time gigante and gotti were both making attempts to become the the most powerful boss in the country. John had the bonnanos through massimo under his rule he had the decavs, patrica Jr and he established connections with philly through sammy gravano and philip leonetti. Though scarfo liked gotti he was too close with bobby manna though later the gambinioes ran philly through stanfa. In the commission meeting in the late 80s orena a gotti ally got bumped up but the chin was too smart to allow joe massimo on the commission because he would be a gotti yes man like orena meaning the commission power would go with John gotti as the chin had the lucheses only. Chin backed the persicos because him and John had some cold war situation going on.
The plot against John is well known with chin and casso killing frank but not many know about johns plot to kill the chin. John reached out to allie shades a capo with the Genovese family they both plotted to kill the chin but they wanted casso to back then and he refused so the plot died. It was the late 90s when the whole plot came out on wiretap. So while chin was plotting with danny m and Jimmy brown John was plotting with allie shades
If john stayed on the streets a few years longer I think violence would have started between the families. Still what borthers me about the whole gotti era is that people are always saying how bad of a boss John is how he destroyed la costra nostra how he was a tyrant etc but back in the 80s they all loved him the wiseguys the press the public everyone. After paul got whacked how many capos were annoyed two out of the 26.
And believe me I am not gotti fanboy but the way he gets talked about now is ridiculous he gets way to much public attention. Also there was loads of flashy guys back then in queens and Brooklyn not like it is now even in the bronx there was flashy guys if it was not gotti It would have been someone else
Whatever happened to allie shades
he got out of the can in 2010 and got back in the game for his sons sake who Is the one to watch his son is in 40s which is very young for the Genovese family and is basicily acting capo for allie shades I heard he might be retired and is advising the current panel but like I said his sons the one to watch 😉
If John would’ve stayed on the streets, i do believe sammy would’ve killed gotti…of course john had beef wth the chin but sammy would’ve sided wth chin, as stated john wasn’t a good boss. He was a thug just lke the Persico crew. He ddnt understand business & mke the money sammy made. The bull was the Brian behind gotti power….ijs
I don’t know. Sammy is a pathological liar. He denied selling drugs, but Casso, Amuso, Pitera and several others said he did. Casso’s a whack job, but he’s seems pretty honest. What would be his motive to lie? He’s in for life. I watched a documentary on his life after witness protection. In it he was trying to act like a contractor in Arizona, one problem. Everyone he worked with said he was a moron who knew nothing about construction. He was also dumb enough to talk business on cell phones. Also he got back into selling drugs with his FAMILY. Again, many contraindications, lies, and little validation of intelligence. Sammy was only a solider before Gotti, he rode the coattails.
In my opinion, Gotti was smarted then people give him credit. He did make several of the current leaders, and big earners of the last twenty years. He was not book smart, he was a thug, but I think he knew the streets. Not saying he was like Gigante, or Carlo, but I think he he knew the life pretty well.
I will admit my bias, as I detest Sammy the Rat
Completely agree John was smarter than people think he knew the streets inside out a real blue collar gangster yes the press was a mistake but he was smart and had balls like none other h e was liked for a reason and the rubbish that gets talked about him now is rubbish like Anastasia book “gotti rules” it made me cringe it was all made up he was talking out of his arse prob never met John gotti now junior I can believe he was never the smartest guy
I hate sammy with a passion
John would have been big on the 30s and 40s ,, an al capone type ,, he needed to get with the times and slow that ego,, but I kind of want to believe he knew this life wasnt the same anymore and he was going to jail one way or another so why not go out like a real thug????
he was the same ego wise as all those flashy guys in queens and brooklyn you have to understand those guys in the 70s and 80s loved the attention the big pinky rings all of that they wanted you to know they were wiseguys. John was bad news in that aspect he caused the gambino fmily major problems with his ove for the press but he was also very smart at his height he was the most powerful boss in the country and was loved by alot of those guys he really loved the life but your right he was in the wrong era he could of done a chin pretend to be nuts or gone on the lam like amuso or casso or gone underground like massimo(smartest option) but john he was not going to change for anyone that was his problem guys like neil they did not hide guys from the generation he grew up with did not hide he did not see the reason to in his mind going underground waas running from the feds and the press loved that but i have respect for him he is a real mans man not like his son who brought shame on that family. John was not greedy like alite portays him in his book (even though alite never met john senior thats rubbish he makes up) he shared his wealth around the money was not important at his height he had the decavs the new england mob bonannos and colombos all under his control he had guys who worshiped him.
Ur right ,, but some were low key with the law but still flashy in the neighborhood,,,u def know ur history,,, guys like casso,, scarpa .. Cutolo,, orena,,john G .. Lenny D ,, etc they loved there wardrobe and playin the role to the hilt,, salute sir
True many were flashy in there neighbourhoods not with the press but I don’t think John wanted press attention they came to him it all started with that first trial he was flashy because it was his personality in his eyes being different with the press was running away John not run s he did get carried away thiugh I agree but no one told him to stop Sammy said he tried but I don’t believe it or he did not try hard enough. Most of those capos loved him guys like jackie the nose were very flashy back then in front of the press because of john they were bade for each other though both degenerates together they gambled millions away but Jackie now is not the Jackie then put I like that
Lenny is loved by everyone one of those guys who is just very likeable and so is Jackie. Lenny though everyone likes him even more than. Jackie but lenny can’t stay out of prison since the 70s he has spent little time on streets
You know your history I will say that
That’s Sammy talking rubbish and I mean that. No one in the gambino family liked sammy he was feared but disliked. You forget nearly all the killings in the gotti era sammy benefited from and he did the killings for his own greed.
You have to understand John was well liked a thug yes but you could say chin was a thug and I know all you guys are going to say no never but he was a thug he once battered a guy for no reason he was a drug dealer in his young days
All these guys were thugs
I think it was the opposite John would of had Sammy killed if you read capeci original book on gotti not all the books now days were guys like George antastia write you will get a better view of john.
I agree with capeci in his book that john was never comfortable with Sammy he did not trust Sammy and he was getting the capos to dislike him and plenty of guys wanted Sammy whacked they knew they would benefit from Sammy death I think John would have killed Sa.mmy its hard to explain John was liked by those guys
That’d rubbish if you think Sammy would of gone with the chin he was one the chins hit list he helped kill Paul and not only that chin already had Danny marino and jimmy brown why would he even ask sammy he had Jimmy for the next boss and Sammy was loyal
As Jackie the nose famously said “john was loved and feared the only guy I ever met with that charisma”
Yeah I hear you TM you made sme good points, however nothing in the mafi
the chin was already plotting to kill gotti and he planned to put jimmy his boss and danny m the underboss. Them two were close with the chin and benny eggs. Sammy was on there hit list.
Yes i have seen crazy things happen its unpredicatable but sammy and the chin never.
Sammy liked being behind the scenes he enjoyed being gottis right hand man he was making millions no way he is going to risk all of that but your right it is unpredicatable
i do think if john had a few more on the streets everything would of come to head
chin had his own plan which was to whack gotti, gravano and install jimmy brown and danny m. Then take out amuso and casso and put the bronx lucheses as the leaders. He would then have both families under control which would make the chin the most powerful boss in the world
he knew casso was the only connection to the frank decicio murder and around early 90s the genovese family were really fed up with the lucheses the chin once threatened to whack amuso at a funeral. The bronx lucheses with steve crea were up for war after mike got whacked for no reason but those nutjobs in brooklyn they were getting fed up steve told al D`arco he was considering killing some of the top brooklyn lucheses. The bronx was ready to rebel if casso and amsuo did not go on the run they would have killed them both no doubt about it and the genovese family would back them for one getting rid of the link to frank decicio and two installing genovese allies as the leaders (the bronx)
just look at the family today its run by steve crea and look how close the bronx lucheses and are to the genovese family they are practically one family
I agree that Gotti was unfairly labled. Yes, he was out in front and made no bones about who he was or what he did. This drew heat. Then again, look at Amuso and Casso, they were killing so many people they might as well have been like Gotti. They were out the public eye with all the murders. So they did as much damage if not more than Gotti. Gigante was the only boss that had it right. Persico was more lucky than anything. After he switched sides during the Gallo wars, Colombo killed likely by Carlo Gambino, he was left to inherit family. In short, Gotti being flashy was not what killed the families. RICO, increased surveillance, and rats did. Pretty shocking when you think about it. Prior to Vincent Carfo turning in 86, only other known rat was Valachi. Of course, now we know Scarpa was a rat since the 60’s, and who knows how many more played both sides to stay out of the can.
completely agree there was one more rat before Vincent carfo though jimmy frantino was at one point the acting boss of the LA mafia he flipped in 1977 after families nation wide decicded to kill him because of his friendship with john rosella and dominc brooklier found out that he was making a power play portraying himself as the next boss (outfit members and los angles members also Cleveland mob) I advise you read his orginal book The Last Mafioso I came out in 1980 he met the leaders of mafia amilies nation wide from buflanio to carlo Gambino
I will never forget reading that I was very young then remember its not like it is now a lot of people did not believe the mafia even existed this was before Donnie brasco before the commission trial and the pizza connection before castanalo and gotti
that was what started my interest in the mafia it was a real eye opener sure I knew that there was a mafia but like most of people I knew we did not really understand how it worked or knew anything about it
I forgot about the weasel, what a fitting nick name. I think he was pretty lucky too. His reign as boss was short lived. He’s famous for his picture with Sinatra and Carlo. I’m sure Carlo was not impressed. On one side you have one of the greatest bosses in criminal history, the other a half ass California boss. Good call remembering him.
When johnny roselli got whacked he was on borrowed time the outfit hated him and why brooklier made him acting boss is beyond me they hated each other and jimmy flew all over the country meeting guys he was desperate to be boss and he is very lucky because the la mob did not back him and the other families were not going to intervene buflanio said to jimmys top guy that Jimmy should lam it
Another off topic question. I read the tommy pitera book and it says he was a captain. Although it never gives details as to when he was promoted. I’m curious to when he was, as he was made in early 80’s and in jail by 90. I guess spero would have bumped him as rastelli and massino were in the can from commission case of 85.
rusty and Massimo were not involved in the commission case because the bonanno family were kicked of the commission in 1980 because of Donnie brasco and the drugs.
I don’t know much about the guy I did not think he was a capo. I do know that spero liked those young guys around him look at Bath Avenue Crew he used those kids he played them all
Rastelli was a defendant in Commision case, but you are right, Massino was not. He went to prison in 1986 for labor racketeering.
Defendants
The initial defendants included:
Paul “Big Paul” Castellano, boss of the Gambino crime family
Anthony “Fat Tony” Salerno, boss of the Genovese crime family
Carmine “Junior” Persico, boss of the Colombo crime family
Anthony “Tony Ducks” Corallo, boss of the Lucchese crime family
Philip “Rusty” Rastelli, boss of the Bonanno crime family
Even though they were kicked off in the eyes of the mafia, they were not in the eyes of the government.
Pitera was a crazy killer. He and Demeo were out of control.
That was the original indicment because of the wiretaps with fat tony they had to remove rusty
Bruno Indelicato junior was the only bonanno member who went to trial for his part in the Indelicatogalante murder he got 45 years
http://www.nytimes.com/1986/09/07/nyregion/mob-s-ruling-commission-to-go-on-trial-in-new-york.html
I agree. Even though Galante was power hungry, he was underboss and next inline. He did his time like a man and wanted his piece of the pie. Moral of Galante was don’t piss off commission and try to control entire drug trade.
Did his time like a man ????????????????
I’m tired too! Let’s take a nap. Then get milkshakes!
All out of mob quotes Attorney lol
Yes, I lost my scrapbook. ????
He’s back folks our attorney at law ,, jeez u must get rattled in traffic court if a forum gets u unhinged ????
Double comma again! Awesome, let’s hang out buddy, your are wonderful!
I called this a month ago and was bashed for believing Cali was the real power. I’ve suspected this for a while. Not saying Dom is not powerful, but Cali has boss written all over him. I think him turning down boss was a great attempt to deceive law enforcement. Peter gotti is the boss like amuso, load of crap
dom was the boss up till recently i mean a few weeks ago trust me on that everyone in brooklyn looked up to dom. He was around 2012 the most powerful mobster in the country and dont forget frankie would only be a soldier if it was not for jackie and dom
Frank looked up to jackie and dom to him those two were his gods. That story of him turning down the bosses seat in 2013 is rubbish he would never reject it,
Dom is retering with tens of millions. I wish i could say the same for jackie but he is a degenerate he gambles everything i hear he gambled 300k once on one night
I wonder if he gonna make tall Pete Inzerillo his underboss would be good to see the Inzerillos and gambinos push for the top spot in both the Sicilian and American Cosa nostra
From what I understand, Pete is a solider, I could be wrong, but if so, that kind of jump seems unlikely. Plus, Corrozzo is getting out next year, he might expect something. Then again, anything is possible.
Oh look capeci is backtracking now , like I said last week cefalu is the boss of the gambinos ,Exactly , the gambinos have been under the radar for 5 years , why would they change things and put themselves in the public eye , capeci gets paid by the Feds to leak these stories I’m convinced
I assume you have a paid membership to his site? Last I checked it was a paid site, unless it’s changed. I think at a certain point we are splitting hairs. No one disputes Cali is either 1 or 2 for Gambino’s. He’s the next in line regardless of what title is now. Unless he turns it down like he supposedly did in 2013. I know this is a hot topic, we are all speculating. I still believe Cali is the boss. As for as public eye, I don’t see how making Cali boss changed much in terms of attention on family. The fact that Dom is a known boss, as is Cali make them both targets. So why would Cali being boss make it worse? If it is true, there must be a rat. It’s amazing to me that the Genovese are the only family truly hiding leadership. Either way, I am happy to see Gambino’s rebounding. I know that’s weird to say, but I support them.
Funny you mentioned genovese… I like the way they operate… Smoke and Mirrors!
I’m curious to know how deep their (Genovese) ties to the old country is… Cali is the Gambinos Sicilian connection…
Got to hand it to Jackie nose… Might of been a degenerate gambler… But not a bad talent scout in finding Cali..