Philadelphia mafia continues to regroup and grow with the return of two veteran mobsters George Borgesi and Marty Angelina.
Borgesi was released back in January after doing a 14-year prison stretch on RICO charges and for the first time in years is now off of all government restrictions. Marty Angelina is himself finishing up a four-plus year prison stay for racketeering and is set to be released from a halfway house this week. According to mob sources both are ready to return to the fold adding to the cluster of mobsters back on streets.
“George Borgesi“
Borgesi held the number three spot in the Philly mafia in the late 1990’s before being convicted and his considered a loose cannon by some. Some within the Philly mob hierarchy are worried that Borgesi’s antics and propensity to stir things up could cause problems within the delicate framework between the three factions now on streets. Other decision-makers within the family believe Borgesi is owed since he went away and did his time in a stand-up way ever saying a word.
“Marty Angelina“
Angelina formerly held the rank on underboss in the late 2000’s and was taken down in the same case that netted Borgesi. Although he isn’t known to be quite the lightning rod and problem that Borgesi may be he still carries plenty of baggage and a hot-headed temperament along with his return to the streets. Both he and Borgesi are long time Joseph Merlino allies and will try and find a way to fit back into the Merlino and Steven Mazzone led faction of the current Philly mafia landscape.
It will be interesting to see how both Angelina and Borgesi transition back into roles within the mafia and what effect it may have on the balance between the three factions now on streets. Both the Scarfo era factions one led by Phil Narducci and other led by Joseph Pungitore have established footholds back on streets and the fragile state of affairs could be a powder keg waiting for a reason to blow. Most of the major players are now back on the streets for the mafia in Philadelphia and although they have all seemingly been getting along so far mob insiders believe the balancing act will be tricky moving ahead.
Not sure Angelina is likely to cause as many problems as Borgesi may in the long run on streets. Georgie Boy is a loose cannon and if he is back into the fray and has any kind of power or say so its only a matter of time before he makes waves and thinks are put more on edge on Philly. He was a stand up guy no doubt about it and probably has some earning coming to him but it will def come at a risk as he is a real live wire between those factions.
These two are the guys are part of the group of mobsters who could destroy what ligambi built. Marty is a thug and a Idiot he gets in trouble for spitting on a cop and fighting with his wife getting into punch ups with locals he is a bad earner a guy who is at best is a debt collector he only ever got power because of merlino he was made under boss in 2005 because ligambi wanted the merlino faction to be happy he was demoted by ligami he is no importance is in the family.
George is a nutjob I mean this guy is crazy he is ruthless killer a average earner but he wants the rackets in delware county back and thats john cicanglini territory he is a earner. George is Completely different to guys like ligambi (George uncle they fell out) he is the type of guy if you don’t pay him a certain amount of money he would beat you badly while ligambi would try and work something out geogre always has rats around him from boston bob to rat lou George is close with joey and he is a killer which with all the tensions around Joey having him available might be a postive but geogre will cause problems he already has caused trouble guy’s like johnny chang are fed up with him
I think George is more likely to make major waves sooner rather then later if there isn’t someone keeping him in line constantly. As you mentioned the guy is a real wild card and having him back esp in control of an area of importance and giving him that swagger back could def lead to some major disagreements and problems between the factions.
Geogre you are right can lead to major problems the guy is not right mentality and he lets rats in its always George his parnoria is part of this and it annoys alot of people I think a problem will continue to arise between john and geogre if joey gives delware back to George thats a mistake as John is a earner and has established rackets and John is his acting underboss he can’t take him down and I think the problem is that geogre wants to be a capo and have his crew not a soldier he has been inactive last few months temporary shelved by mazzone waiting for his parole to finish he has brother earning for him but Anthony is not smart lets put it like that geogre won’t like reporting to John either but Joey loves George so I don’t know what will happen
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That really does seem to be the case now out there and eventually that looks like it could become a major problem. Esp since all those chiefs want a piece of that small pie.
True alot of these guys think they deserve more of the rackets and philly mob is not the biggest money making machine in the last 20 years certain guys want more than they are getting nicky scarfo junior out earnerd the whole philly mob in two years that 12 mil scam
I hear Joey pung is doing very well and same with phil the scarfo guys look like they are earning well
I thought nick Jr. Woulve had to kick that 12 up to the luccheses.
He did I meant that the money he earnt was more than the entire philly mob not what he earnt personally. In nicky scarfo jrs trial it was found that he was paying the leaders of three of the five families money who in return promised to back him against ligambi and to make scarfo boss the lucheses demoted him partly because of his interets in Philly and partly because he was too soft nicky is not a killer and he needed a crew to back him and he allegedly was attempting to pay members of the philly mob to join him he even approchaed joe chang who has been out of the mob since 1993 when he got shot by joey merlinio and mikey chang Nicky attempted to buy the philly mob but feds arrested him before anything happened not that I think scarfo would have won
nicky kept a lot of that 12 mil away from the lucheses another reason they took him down nicky was becoming less and less involved with the lucheses he fell out with a lot of them ralphie perna epically ralphe was a gangster nicky was a earner but not a gangster nicky always made money i know he used to hold court at this construction site in the 2000s he was running for the lucheses he was making millions that guy is a MAJOR earner
That is one thing Nicky Jr always did well and that was earn.
to be honest a lot of people look down at the guy because the way Philip potrays him In his book but nicky was a smart guy a business man he could of been sucsessful at any thing he wanted his problem was his uncle and his attraction to the life in the 80s that got him but nicky is not violent and that’s why he was bullied out of the role of head of north jersey role for the lucheses and he throughout his cararer never fought back he needed other guys to do that he was shot by joey and he did not try to fight back like joey would of done he went to the lucheses he did not even try to organize a hit he did not know how to he could not fend of john cicanagli in the 90s when he went shaking down his restaurant he even alledgly cried when nicky in the 80s made him beat up some guy and when he was trying to get guys to come with him to go against joe ligambi he was paying other people to do dirty work for him
Speaking of Philip, do you believe him when he says Nicky did not want to be a mobster?
“his problem was his uncle and his attraction to the life in the 80s that got him”
What do you mean by this? Sorry, I don’t understand.
Also where do you know all of this from? Just curious.
I think Nicky Jr would of likely been some kind of businessman as that’s where his real talents lie it seems. He doesn’t seem to be much of a street guy and my guess is it was being born into a mafia family which led him into the life. Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if he really wasn’t that thrilled to become a mobster and not some more legit career.
Well his uncle was pressing his kids to join the life and scarfo always wanted a kid in the mob and nicky was the only kid who was attracted to the life in that he will do anything his uncle says anything nicky when philip flipped this is unknown by many went all over the country looking to kill philip a guy he looks liked but he was doing it for his uncle. He did want to be in the life in the 80s sure he was scarfos son people would fall over each other trying to impress the guy he liked the attention but as soon as the scarfo guys went away he was alone and nicky is not a gangster he can’t defend himself not only that he was not even a made guy I think nicky wishes he did not join the life and wishes he could leave the life but he won’t do that while scarfo alive Nicky has never been able to think for himself but nicky could be successful in anything he could be a rich business man but instead he is going to get 30 years for his uncle plus the gambling case he is going to die in jail
Are you saying Nick Jr searched for Philip? That is interesting. Do you think he would have tried to kill him had he found him?
He said he was going to kill philip and was searching everywhere to find him he said he was making a vow that he would kill philip ( i think nicky might have been bullshiting to save face he did not have balls to try and kill philip )
no i dont think he would nicky i think was going around saying that he was going to kill philip as an attempt to save himself the scarfos lost alot of respect in la costra nostra because of philip the five familys were furious and joey merlino and mikey chang used it as part of an excuse to try and kill scarfo jr (joeys own uncle lawrence flipped the real reason was because scarfo sr tried to kill joey) they said his own cousin had flipped. Scarfo jr would first of be shot dead by philip before he could hurt him dont forget philip rat or not a rat is feared no one would mess with the guy and secondly scarfo jr still got on with philip in fact philip met scarfo jr in philly in 1997 philip was visiting his grandma and there was no hard feelings and even joey and his guys were to scared to kill philip leonetti when he was in philly.
Nicky is not a violent guy he would not whack anyone never has he would try and get other people to do his dirty work
That’s what I thought Jr was doing. Attempting to save face. Random question but with Philip having ratted and now Jr facing life, do you think Jr would ever rat?
no junior i dont think will rat for his father and even if he did i dont knowif he could give them enough sure he could hurt the pernas and some of the lucheses but he is looking at 30 years in the fraud case and another 20 years in the gambling case i dont know how much he can give maybe he can tie some big players to the fraud case and the plot to kill joe ligambi but the whole plot was orcharasted by nicky so i dont think it would work and that would involve testifying against amuso and scarfo sr in prison and he would not do that but he would not flip nicky would never do that to his father and to his family i know of someone close to the family and he tells me some interesting things about scarfo jr and phlilip espically philip and philip and nick are differant guys i know though for a fact nicky was upset that philip flipped and he was recored on tape saying that killing philip is extremely important.
Can you share any interesting things you’ve been told? And yeah I’ve heard some of that about Philip. Thanks for answering my questions by the way.
well the guy i am seeing in a couple of weeks so i will get him to tell me update me on some of the things and remind me on some things its been awhile since i saw him. I am sure he will tell me some interesting things going on in philly. I will post the,
m when i get them
I went to philly a few times in the 90s and it was crazy i mean there was wiseguys in all the clubs i mean it was crazy it was all being shoved in your face you had joey and his guys they were treated as celebrities i had never seen anything like that my life.
i think Jr would of ratted by now if he had the want to and the means. Like TM mentioned i am not sure he has enough information to be worth it to the feds to even make the offer.
Ths will be skinny Joey difficult test yet as boss, if he really is such…to mke ths wrk & keep the heat dwn, he’ll really hve to wrk harder than ever b4 to maintain sme type of stability wthin…it would be nice to see him pull it off. ..ijs
Especially trying to run things from down in Florida. Not being on the streets to nip certain things in the bud before they have a chance to escalate and trying to keep everyone happy from day to day. Quite the challenge indeed for both him and Mazzone.
Joey is running things for Florida which I think is a mistake things are very volatile in Philly babe should be there trying to calm things down its down to Steve Mazzone to keep the peace but no know even steve has been getting tired with geogre its down to joey to sort that one out
Yeah they will definitely need to address ol ‘ borgesi sooner or later. However , wth Joey being in Florida maybe thts whts is keeping the peace bck hme all together I’m thnkng,we all knw tht narducci & company aren’t really big fans of joey , they dnt hve to deal wth him directly unless thres an serious issue.so as long as Steve continue to show sme type of promise at being at tht position he was given & the ol skool guys can hve a good run out on the streets ths tme around the peace will be thre. Frm readng & listening I’m assuming the factions are eating really good rght now & wth football season approaching things should be alrght for’em…but yeah i thnk tht borgesi situation is smethng i thnk the whole family will agree on….ijs
i still think if there is going to be trouble it will be with joey pung faction and other scarfo guys by phil narducci phil despises joey he knows joey was one of the killers in his fathers death and he wants revenge. If steve can control geogrie and can keep johnny chang and phil narducci from figthting
(enzo narducci i think got in a fight with johnny chang i might have this wrong i read it somewhere) things could be ok are they doing well i dont know if there is enough rackets for these guys they all expect alot of money. I assume philips doing ok he opened a steak resturaent and his nephew has that club and he also has that shop i forgot know what it is called. I hear joey might have a bookmaking operation i dont know really and the merlino/ligambi guys have there poker machines and other rackets i dont know really its hard to tell ligambi was able to satisfy everyone because the family was smaller and lacked big players look at the borgata indicment in 2006 and the 2011 bust with the poker machines
I would be curious to know how much money is truly being earned in philly. They don’t have unions, casinos, and likely not bright enough to be in wall street. So loansharking, bookmaking, gambling and drugs are left. I just can’t imagine they generate much these days. Mostly a glorified street gang. They can’t murder much these days, so threats don’t work as well.
Its definitely not what it was in the heyday of the mob there and your right from what we know most of the earning there is done now through illegal bookmaking and loan sharking and they still have some influence in some other rackets like poker machines etc. The pie really is condensed down these days in Philly which is why sooner or later with all the made guys back on streets the odds we see a confrontation get more likely.