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  1. The mafia

    These guys were extorting some business for 50 bucks that is ridiculous they are risking rico charges for 50 dollars I can’t believe it and they did this for ten years its hardly big time stuff I don’t understand the reason for this its embarrassing what we’re they kicking up? they could earn the same amount working in Starbucks they are extorting a innocent guy for 50bucks just stupidity right there its 2015 not 1910

    • JohnGrant213

      Right ? It really is ridiculous and perhaps that was some kind of vig they were collecting on gambling debts or some loan sharking cause it makes hardly any sense to me that it would be a straight shake down for that pocket change.

      • The mafia

        The guy allegedly flipped because he was in fear of his life from the colambos he was paying them for allegedly ten years it does not sound like vig just extortion though I could be wrong it could be big but I am quite confident by the sounds of things it was just the wiseguys being greedy

        • JohnGrant213

          And really in either case as you mentioned earlier its such small potatoes to be risking a racketeering charge for. Just makes no sense what so ever but at same time when it comes to the Colombo’s not much is shocking i guess.

  2. Ryan Boonique Clark

    Ha! The Colombos, thse guys never seems to amaze me..who was the capo b4 Dimatteo, & why was he chose to tht position, he has never really been a true earner. At one tme he was just muscle. The colombos continue to fill thre ranks up wth unqualified wise guys & it cmes bck on them everytme. I wonda who Russo (mush) will bump up ths tme to handle dimatteo territory. ..ijs

    • JohnGrant213

      That family really is a hot mess the last few years. I am not sure who’s crew he took over but your right on the mark about filling the ranks with unqualified people and it coming back to bite them time and time again.

    • The mafia

      It will be interesting to see what happens a lot of big time guys out over next couple of years russo is in his 80s but is a lifer he will never give up they lost a lot of guys who were big earners in construction they were making a killing of the 9/11 site but kenji gallo caused them big problems (it was ridiculous how he got around these guys) only the bonnanos are near then in strength in New York the Colambos still have some big rackets though and Brooklyn is filled with colambos

      • JohnGrant213

        They still have the chance and capacity to rebound and begin to reorganize the ranks with the guys that are about to be back on the streets , now can they get it together is the big question.

  3. bellomo boss

    Persico’s unwillingness to let go has obliterated this family. I would not even consider them a family anymore. Honestly, the Genovese are the only ones who can get it right. Gambinos and lucheses are doing fairly well, but Gotti and amuso/casso set them way back. The 80’s bosses were morons, except gigante. I think bellomo, Cali, and Crea are back to old school.

    • JohnGrant213

      Agreed as to the Persico’s doing a lot of damage to that family and its been a down hill run ever since then. They will be getting some guys back on streets which are capable but they def need new leadership at top and not in an acting form but someone to step in and finally end the Persico era and bring family into the present day and i don’t really see anyone with that kind of influence at moment to handle that. So its likely to be more of the same for that family in near future.

      • bellomo boss

        I remember Casso lobbying to have Colombos join Lucheses in the late 80’s. I doubt Crea would want them now lol. I doubt they hold much regard in nyc these days. They are small timing it while bellomo and Cali are international and sophisticated. Had Orena won the war, wild Bill might have been a good street boss.

        • JohnGrant213

          I think your right had things gone the other way and Wild Bill eventually taken the reigns of that family it would be a totally different story for the Colombo’s today. The Lucchese and Gambino families have done great jobs under Crea and Cefalu/Cali in rebuilding the ranks and getting back to being under the radar earners. The breather the mob is getting form anti-terrorists campaigns has been taken advantage of by those families but the Colombo’s and Bonanno’s continue to miss the boat.

          • The mafia

            Colambos are in place to rebuild the bonnanos if they can keep the queens faction intact then they have a chance

          • JohnGrant213

            I think the Bonanno’s stand a better chance to rebound then the Colombo’s at this point but that landscape could change going forward i guess.

          • bellomo boss

            Agreed. The thing about the Bonanno’s is their complete disregard for the “drug rules” Granted, all families sell drugs, but they don’t care who knows it. Drugs make huge profits, huge profits create power and influence. They also have great connections in Canada and with N’drangheta, which is quite powerful. Mancuso is simply a front, they just need someone with brain at the helm

          • The mafia

            Gambinos run the drugs trade ALL the calbriens and most of the siggs deal coke that’s the gambinioes weakness they are constantly getting these international drug busts them and the Ndghanta are getting hit hard the feds got 500kilios in January of the gambinioes

            Trust the bonnanos are Huge in the queens vinny the sigg and Bonnie tv and Tommy and don’t forget Joe and ralph the queens is a bonnano power house the bronx forget it since vinnie went away its been destroyed the bronx is basically mikey noses nephew and bunch of young kids who got there button the queens is where the power is.

          • The mafia

            I think the bonnanos are in a better position to rebuild even though the other families look down at them that family the power is in the queens there is vinnie tv, vito grinamdi,Salvatore,tommy,joey and ralph them lot are very powerful and they are already rebuilding the family the bronx faction is done for good mikey nose is not the real boss and all that’s left is kids even johnny joe who from prison is moving his guys to Brooklyn the bronx is done when mikey gets out he will get prob what’s left of the the bronx is nephew and those kids but I think mikey knows he is not the real boss no one likes mikey except certain colambos and the old gotti crew no one else the Genovese. Luchese and other gambinos all respect and support the queens guys

          • bellomo boss

            So maybe mancuso is only boss in name? Maybe so the real players don’t have so much heat. Like Natale was for Merlino.

          • The mafia

            That’d what happening now one suppports mancuso really. The westside and the luchseses despise the guy , the queens and Brooklyn bonnano factions Don like him, the only people backing him our the old gotti crew and the colambos. The guy killed his wife and was always a scrum bag pushing around the kids not many know that before he went away vinne was planning to have mancuso whacked but mancuso was arrested before tha could happen

            Now the trouble might start when manucso is released in four-year he seems himself as boss’s but he knows only the broken Bronx faction backs him and he is already building support by indicting his nephew and other things but I think he will be smart enough well I hope he is smart enough that when he gets out of prison he will admit that he is not boss and I think they will let him have the bronx there is no one else apart from his nephew there the trouble will start if he trys to act like a boss welll the queens guys i am positive will not take orders from him Then there will be trouble and mikey will lose but i don’t even know if he will get out of prison the feds are looking to.indict him on a lot of things

          • bellomo boss

            We can agree to disagree. I believe he has been the primary boss since Gigante went to prison. He was his protege since the late 70’s. Plus his international connections. I don’t believe the family has a “boss”, rather a panel. But to say he’s not a top guy is plain ignorant.

          • The mafia

            You could be right I could see him on a panel but he is not the same boy wonder from the 90s when his wife died he hardly left his house he sold a lot.of things he really loved his wife but I do not believe for a second he is out of the life I think he is just taking a step back he is 59 he spends a lot of time with his kids I think he is just taking a step back he does not want to be boss the attention he does not want to go back to prison though I defo think he could be part of a ruling panel

    • Ryan Boonique Clark

      I’ve stated tht b4 on another topic on the Philly family being in an good situation to finally gain sme real solid ground on the east..errthng wth the colombos is actng ths actngTht,it’s only a matter of time b4 the other families start chipping at thre rackets. The Persico faction in the family has always been the muscle of the family going way bck to joe profaci.i always said tht the lst war the colombos had in the early 90’s should’ve went the other way. orena Should’ve won. The family was doing real good when he first was put ad actng boss his guy’s knew how to earn & he wasn’t selfish even sme of the Persico guys lke orena however his faction wasn’t season war tme guys like the Persico crew. But it will heat bck up when the Release of sme ol’timers frm Both The Orena & Persico Factions start hitting the streets. It should be very interesting

      • The mafia

        Brooklyn faction is still very strong for the colambos even the westside(genovese) would not dare move in on the colambos in Brooklyn the gambinos are the only guys near the colambos size in Brooklyn the colamb have only one faction if they can use these guys getting out of the can they have a good chance of rebuilding losing tommy shots was a big miss

    • The mafia

      True don’t forget Celfeau he is one of the most powerful guys in New York the gambinos are catching up with the Genovese the gap is closing the difference is in my opinion is the waterfront genovese have that the gambinioes don’t. Lucheses and the Genovese practically share rackets be very close those families

      • bellomo boss

        I believe Cefalu to be a front boss and advisor. I think all the gossip surrounding Cali turning down boss in 2013 was a deliberate attempt to throw off law enforcement. Cali is also a made man in the Inzerillo Family, which makes him even more powerful. I agree, Cefalu is powerful, low-key, but I don’t think he’s the real power. I believe the Gambino’s are taking a page from the Genovese’s book, hiding their true boss. I agree Gambino’s are improving, especially now that the Inzerillo’s are back in action in Italy. I still believe the Genovese to be years ahead. They are masters at secrecy, not flipping, being low key.

        • The mafia

          Trust me on this celfeau is the real power he is had been a big player since the early 2000s who do you think was the power behind Jackie jackie is well liked but is a degenerate gambler this guy will gamble 200k randomly he is always broke but Dom was the power he has been the boss since arnold went away everyone respects the guy I mean he is a real power house now frankie was made capo in 2006 well Dom has been a capo since 2003 then underboss then boss from around Dom has been around a lot longer Frankie is a good guy though he runs the meat trucking in New York he is worth tens of millions but don’t forget frankie only got this far because of John Gambino frank is johns cousin/nephew Frank is a good guy though he is well liked and he WILL one day be made boss Dom loves Frankie I mean Dom sees Frank as his son you see they are all connected these siggs John used to deal herion and Dom worked for him and they got close then later on John started to bring Frank around and him and Dom grew close frank will be made boss one day Dom is 69 he has had a good run he has been boss since 2011 and underboss since 2006 I know he is very wealthy though he does not spend it a true old fashioned sigg lives with his mum he would rather save than spend he has if he is lucky a few more years of he can survive and not get arrested he will be a very wealthy man and then he will give the family to Frank and I think Frank will take it Dom is schooling frank like John gambino did remember Frank’s still young he is 48

          • The mafia

            He does not even own the bakery its basacily a no show job his job is basaicly is to bake cakes well he does not do much baking haha it was really just a way to satify his parole officer I don’t know if he still has the no show job he is off parole now he prob just turns up for the paycheck a very old school guy he lives with his mother he is not a flashy guy you would not think he was a boss of the gambino crime family if you saw him on the street. Frankie a bit more flashy but he knows the rules jackie taught him very well as did John gambino when Jackie was made boss he made Dom his under boss and Frankie a capo he knows the siggs are the best Jackie also kept nicky and lenny in the game nicky was a major power him and Danny Marino got on and Jackie got on with all of them Frankie and lenny were close but everyone loves lenny is just a likeable guy. jo jo is a miserable guy but he is a good advisor John gambino similar to jo jo I always wonder what would of happened if that guy who flipped who was wearing the wire had not been wearing a wire frank,nicky,lenny,dom and Tommy sneakers were all arrested because of him nicky trusted him to much jackie, danny and Jo Jo got arrested aswell in the same case . Jackie was broke though he is a degenerate gambler I heard he once gambled 200k away the guy has spent millions gambling a well liked guy him and Frankie were close Frankie came up under jackie

        • JohnGrant213

          I think Cali holds a lot of influence and is definitely the future boss of the family if he stays out of prison. But Cefalu is a power himself and is well connected along with Cali and its the combination of the two which has given the Gambino family a rebirth or sorts. But i believe Cefalu is making the final calls as to what happens with in the family at the moment with Cali taking a back seat and just patiently waiting for his turn at the big seat. But it could just as easily be Cali using the lightning rod of Cefalu as well its a interesting dynamic right now a top the Gambino’s.

  4. Dom Woods

    The Colombos have two powerful captains being released next year , Michael catapano and Michael uvino , they also have soldier Craig Marino due for release , the Colombos will be fine , mush russo’s kid billy is said to be on the administration . Cefalu is 100% in control of the gambinos , as for Bellomo he is prob the most powerful mobster in the country , cefalu , Cali , crea Bellomo and muscarella r the main guys in the American mob today

    • The mafia

      I disagree with only that bellomo has not been the same since he his wife died this guy is nothing like he was he is not the big player you think he is defo not the most powerful in the country Dom and steve are way ahead and that guy in the Bronx is a lot bigger with the genovese

      • bellomo boss

        Honestly everyone is purely speculating. Making educated guesses. I appreciate your opinion, but they are simply opinions. forums are great places for dialogue and questions. My opinion is still that Bellomo is one of the most powerful mobsters today. I doubt the Genovese ever back down from the battered Colombos. They are small potatoes these days. Also, No one family owns ALL drugs. That’s ludicrous.

        • The mafia

          I did not say all drugs all families do drugs not denying that I meant the gambinioes are the biggest in the drugs trade Dom is allowing guys to deal. Look at recent indicments ALL BIG drug busts are gambino related a couple of bonnanos but mainly gambino. And it was stupid me saying the Genovese would not mess with the colambos because it would NEVER HAPPEN the Genovese are not going to move into Brooklyn they are weak there its the bronx and Westchester they are big in. The colmabos are strong in Brooklyn. Bonnanos in the Queens. Lucheses the power in the Bronx. Gambinos Brooklyn,staten island and areas of Manhattan. These are the strongest areas for each family not wee they operate.

          A lot of things things are speculation your right I thought after his wife died and the amount of time he spends with his kids he is done being boss or any high rank he is 59 he is not a young man anymore but it is speculation I could be wrong and he is the official boss then I will look stupid but that’s just my opinion

          • bellomo boss

            I’m sorry, I just can’t follow you. Not sure if it’s a language barrier, or poor grammar. Either way, I can’t decipher your rebuttal. The issue I have is when you assert something with little factual basis. You come across as matter of fact, but then again the lack of coherent thought is vexing. Once again, we can agree to disagree.

          • The mafia

            Language barrier? I admit I am not the best with my grammar not that I am particularly borthered about people on this site’s opinion I am here to talk about the mafia if you can’t understand me well I am sorry about that

            I am trying to say that the last Major international drug busts have MANILY been gambino crime family related other families deal drugs but not on the gambinos scale busts you want proof? Fine I will show you some read these links all MAJOR drug busts gambino related I will see some links to prove this I don’t normally remember where I read the indicment normally on this site

            http://www.nowitaly.com/68032/operation-new-bridgebetween-italy-usa

            http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/11/police-arrest-crime-network-gambino-ndrangheta

            http://imp.eyb.mybluehost.me/mafia/gambino-soldier-sclafani-sentenced-to-15-years

          • bellomo boss

            Well first off, you do seem to know your history, which I appreciate. Thanks for your insight

          • Ryan Boonique Clark

            Historically speaking, I thght the bonnanos power base has always been in Brooklyn as well (via Williamsburg, bensonhurst couple of crews in red hook)…ijs

          • The mafia

            True in the past Brooklyn was the bonnnano strong hold but times have changed bensonhurst I has changed so much in the past the place was nearly 80 percent italien the place was a Major mob stronghold but with italiens moving to the suburbs including the mafia bensonhurst still has wiseguys gambino family and some Genovese guys operate there but a lot of these guys are elder mobsters and they dot have the young guys to back them up.

            Bonnnanos power is in the queens now the bronx has never been a major bonnnano power house only got a bit of publicty because of vinnie all that’s left of the bonnnao bronx faction is mikey noses nephew and a bunch of kids in there 20s and 30s everyone hates mikey nose he whacked his own wife and he is boss no one likes him the Westside and lucheses despise even his own family hate him all he has is the broken bronx faction. Johnny Joe the only respected bronx bonnao member left who is getting out of the can in a couple of years is sending his guys to Brooklyn and the queens he knows the bronx is done.Queens is where all the decision are being made the power lies in Queens you have vinnie tv,vito sigg, tommy,joey, tod and ralph all the big players are out there

      • Dom Woods

        Bellomo is the captain of the 116th street crew which is the most powerful crew in the whole American mob , I’ve read he has stepped bak after his wife died but in my opinion he is calling the shots with Leo and muscarella , guys like dentico , barbeto and cirillo r retired , and they were on the rotating panel running the family .

        • The mafia

          I don’t know I think he took a step back after his wife died and he spends a lot of time with his kids he does not want to go back to prison he might be part of a ruling panel but boss I don’t think so. I think it’s either a ruling panel or someone who is not so well known to the public there is plenty of unknown guys in the bronx and Westchester who could do a boss job. Still your one of the more knowledgeable posters so i will respect your opinion on him.

          • Dom Woods

            I think that’s the only thing we can say with certainty that’s it’s a rotating panel of senior captains running the family , I think it’s safe to say Bellomo , muscarella and Leo r defo on it , I read cirillo , barbeto and dentico were also part of it but they r pretty much retired , I’ve heard allie shades name mentioned so it’s possible he could be a part of it , like everyone has said it’s merely speculation but I would defo say Bellomo and muscarella

          • JohnGrant213

            Agreed on the revolving capo panel as that seems to have been the case now for some time. I still think a lot of the big decisions made kind of run through Bellomo and Muscarella at least before a final call is made.

          • Dom Woods

            It’s very possible allie shades is on it , I believe he has left the majority of his capo responsibilities to his kid

          • The mafia

            Allies shades is teaching his kid the rules and his kid is quite young for the Genovese family he is defo one for the future I don’t think allie shades sr is out though I think he loves the life too much he might not be running a lot of rackets but is there in an advisor role for the panel.

            Do you think Dom killed his kid back in 2006 I think

          • Dom Woods

            No I don’t , I think he just took it though , possibly the same as wen patsy’ son was killed , it was a similar situation

          • The mafia

            Yearh your prob right still don’t understand how you could let your son get whacked like the narduccis in Philly how they worked for testa after the father got killed.

            I remember when patsy kid got whacked I read something about it was awhile ago now I can’t remember when it happened

          • Dom Woods

            The son was killed in 93 in retaliation for patsy Snr hitting tore locascio outside a Bronx social club , the gambinos hired an Albanian named victor mirdita to kill the kid

          • The mafia

            That was among time ago its coming back now I thought it was carmine scafani who got shot accidentally and then wanted revege the guy who got shot by that rogue bonnano soldier who in 2005

          • The mafia

            The Albanian kid was he the one that his family members suddenly got killed as soon as he flipped my memory is going used to remember these things

          • JohnGrant213

            Allies kid is definitely a rising star in the Genovese family and prob headed for a part of that administration in a pretty timely manner at least for Gonevese standards.

          • The mafia

            He is in his 40s and is basically a capo that’s very young for the Genovese were most guys get made in there 50s and 60s let alone made capo I mean these guys wait to there 70s to get promotion

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